Simon Foster – Drunkenness

Gen 9

20. And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:

21. And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent.

22. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.

23. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.

Basic points to note

From the vine

Causes sleep, carelessness, abandonment and sin!

1 Sam 1

13. Now Hannah, she spake in her heart; only her lips moved, but her voice was not heard: therefore Eli thought she had been drunken.

14. And Eli said unto her, How long wilt thou be drunken? put away thy wine from thee.

Hannah hasn’t drunk any strong drink

Perhaps this is Eli’s problem

False judgement in scripture – like Acts 2

Eli sees her lips move (staggering) which we will see later

Consistent with being filled with the Spirit

1 Sam 25

Nabal – His name means “fool” inline with being drunken

The effect wears out as the wine leaves him

Job 12 v 24 – About staggering

Linking this to Ps 107

v40 – Wandering

27. They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits’ end.

Ps 19

Yahweh, mingled a perverse spirit. Staggering in their vomit.

Mat added

Ps 107

27. They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits’ end.

Wits = wisdom


Num 16

32. And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods.

33. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation.

34. And all Israel that were round about them fled at the cry of them: for they said,Lest the earth swallow us up also.

Ps 69

15. Let not the water flood overflow me, neither let the deep swallow me up, and let not the pit shut her mouth upon me.

Prov 21

20. There is treasure to be desired and oil in the dwelling of the wise; but a foolish man spendeth it up.

Jonah 1

17. Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

Ecc 10

12. The words of a wise man’s mouth are gracious; but the lips of a fool will swallow up himself.

Isa 28

7. But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

Ps 107 – Linking to 1 Sam 1

40. He poureth contempt upon princes, and causeth them to wander in the wilderness, where there is no way.

41. Yet setteth he the poor on high from affliction, and maketh him families like a flock.

42. The righteous shall see it, and rejoice: and all iniquity shall stop her mouth.

43. Whoso is wise, and will observe these things, even they shall understand the lovingkindness of the LORD.

Acts 2 v 16

Not drunk as you suppose – spirit has been poured out.

Gross contrast between being drunk and being in a state where the soul or the spirit is being poured out

Mat 26 v 26

Jesus’ blood was poured out for the remission of sins – symbolised in the wine.

Nathan added

Job 12 v 25

These things are happening in the dark, they are groping.

Ex 10 v 21

Darkness and the word “felt” is the word grope. This is how Egypt is at the time.

1 Sam 25

This all happens before the morning light v 36

1 Thess 5

v4 – 8

Not children of the night, drunken, but of light and being sober.

Andrew added

Rev 17 v 6

A woman who was drunk – What was Eli thinking? Hannah was moving her lips with gracious words, pouring our her spirit.

Mark added

What is like with Jesus, these have all been negative so far

Mat 11

18. For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

19. The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

Objected to John because he didn’t, objected to him because he did!

He then describes the difference between what John did and what he did.

Jesus quoting from Deu 21

About what it’s like to be a drunkard

18. If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:

19. Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;

20. And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

21. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Associations with not hearing, stubborn and being rebellious.

Consequence is that he is stoned.

The jews are saying that Jesus should be stoned, like this!

It then goes on to say….

22. And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:

23. His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.

Going back to Mat 11

Jesus adds, “a friend of publicans and sinners”

He is accused of being a drunkard in his going about to save people. The deep irony is that they are like the drunken.

Gen 43

Joseph has a meal with his brothers at his house.

It is the only place where the assumption is that they aren’t drunk.

34. And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin’s mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.

It’s the word to be drunk like the other passages. What is the “with” Joseph.

1. And he commanded the steward of his house, saying, Fill the men’s sacks with food, as much as they can carry, and put every man’s money in his sack’s mouth.

2. And put my cup, the silver cup, in the sack’s mouth of the youngest, and his corn money. And he did according to the word that Joseph had spoken.

3. As soon as the morning was light, the men were sent away, they and their asses. (link with Nathan)

4. And when they were gone out of the city, and not yet far off, Joseph said unto his steward, Up, follow after the men; and when thou dost overtake them, say unto them, Wherefore have ye rewarded evil for good?

As a precursor to them seeing Jospeh, they were eating and drinking and being drunk, it was describing their ability to see clearly and their understanding about Joseph. He doesn’t seem to be drunk here as he commands etc.

Jesus ate and drank with the publicans and sinners but this didn’t not make him a drunkard as they accused him of being.